'How can we compete?'

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And Welsh First Minister Mark Drakeford told joker123 Radio 4's Today programme he wanted a "level playing field".

"How can our hill farmers compete with Australian climate?" he asked. "How can our hill farmers compete with the space that is available for the huge farms that they have in Australia?"

Mr Drakeford said UK animal welfare standards were "higher" than those in Australia, making two-way trade more difficult.Ultimately the aim of any trade deal is pretty simple.

Both sides want the best for their consumers and businesses but if there was a soundtrack to trade rounds it will be "You Can't Always Get What You Want" because there has to be compromise involved.

What's at stake here is exactly which of those red lines we're likely to want to bend, because Australia has all along said it wants more access for its farmers. It wants no tariffs on the goods it sends to the UK, and it doesn't want any quotas involved.

That has alarmed farmers here - our farms tend to be much smaller, maybe a few dozen herd of cattle, as opposed to thousands - and also we have higher charges for things like environmental standards, so they say we'd be disadvantaged.

We know some cabinet ministers have some sympathy with that, but the Department for International Trade argues there will still be safeguards in place, any changes will be introduced over many years. And if you look at what Australia actually sells to us at the moment, they are not taking full advantage of the allowances they already have.

This is about Global Britain's bigger ambitions and how that is going to be playing out over the years. Because ultimately trade economists say if you look at the change in imports we could see under a zero tariffs situation , they are equal to 0.1% of our total imports. Pretty tiny.

It's when you start talking about deals with the big players in agriculture - the US and Brazil. They'll be watching this one closely.